music and advertising: old enough to remember it wasn't always this bad
Some of you young'uns out there may find this hard to imagine, but there was a time when rock music was not used in advertising. The advent of rock being used to induce us to buy non-rock-related products began in the mid-1980s.
There were a few random instances before then, but around 1985 and 1986, there was a sea change in the kinds of music commonly heard in advertising. Before that time, ad music was mostly jingles, short songs written expressly for that product. But beginning around 1985, music that had been associated with counterculture - with social rebellion - was now used to sell anything from laundry detergent to cars to candy.
Much ink was expended, many column inches filled (this was in the era of print, after all) about what this meant, why people were upset by it, and where it was heading. I wish so much I had those stories now. I'd love to quote them here, as well as remember what songs and ads were creating the controversies.
People who care about music, and who care about rampant commercialism, were upset that the soundtrack of our lives - the specific memories we associate with certain songs - were being exploited by corporate advertisers. We were upset that cultural icons were being co-opted by the consumer culture. We were upset because the overexposure of advertising can make it impossible to break those connections.
A notable landmark in the rock-in-advertising trend involved some dancing dried fruit known as The California Raisins. There had been a big revival of interest in Motown and other music of that era, fueled in large part by the soundtrack to the 1983 movie "The Big Chill", which itself was fueled by companies trying to capture as much Baby Boomer disposal income as possible.
Another bar was crossed in 1988, when Nike unveiled its "Revolution" ad, using the song without the permission of the three surviving members of The Beatles, who sued the company and got the ads pulled.
In those days - here's something you really won't believe - it was actually controversial for band tours or summer concert serieses to have a corporate sponsor. Does it taint your music in some way if you play for Miller Beer Music-on-the-Pier? Are these bands selling out? Although Neil Young wrote a song about this, most people soon stopped asking these questions. Now a concert series or tour without such advertising is a quaint, underfunded anachronism.
Most of the outrage over advertising co-opting rock music is well in the past. Ten years later, when the Rolling Stones licensed "Start Me Up" to Microsoft - the first time the band had allowed one of their songs to be used in an ad campaign - it was mostly written about as an interesting business deal.
But I might as well hang a huge OLD FART sign above my desk, because the use of rock songs in advertising still disgusts me. Partly it's because I am so bothered by the encroachment of advertising in our lives. Partly it's because I always mute the ads when watching TV, so this commonplace phenomenon still has the power to shock me. In recent years, I've been amazed and horrified at the Clash's version of "Pressure Drop" selling Nissan, and The Pogues selling Cadillacs. (Clash songs have been used by Cadillac, too.). Before that it was Iggy Pop shilling for Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines.
Seth Stevenson, who writes about advertising for Slate, asked readers for their favorite examples of incongruous advertising soundtracks. The question was in response to the song "Sixteen Tons" being used in "an ad that touts the wonders of coal". Stevenson says the overwhelming winner was Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life": "Nothing says maritime comfort like a song about shooting up junk." For more examples, and a very entertaining read, go here. I was very pleased that, when I Googled these songs and ads, the first posts that came up were always outraged or disgusted bloggers. Good job.
On the other hand, for every post by someone who dislikes the idea, I found a list by someone who enjoy it.
I try not to be absolute about these things. If a struggling young artist can make a pile of money, which she can use to finance her own art, I wouldn't condemn her for it. But money has a way of becoming addictive, and an addiction to money has a way of corrupting art. There are other ways to make money besides commercial licensing deals. And how many artists who license these songs actually need the money? Wanting more money to support a certain lifestyle is not the same as needing it to pay the bills.
Perhaps you're wondering what inspired this post. Simple answer: the song "Everyday People" selling Smarties.
Americans may think of this, but in Canada, Smarties are like grossly inferior M&Ms. I know many Canadians have a deep sentimental attachment to Smarties. But they are candy. Bits of sugar and artificial colouring.
"Everyday People" is a song about striving for peace and equality.
Written by Sylvester Stewart (known as Sly Stone), "Everyday People" was Sly and the Family Stone's first number one hit. Sly and the Family Stone were, not incidentally, the first racially integrated band in rock history.
The song, also included on their great 1969 album "Stand!", has been covered by artists as disparate as Aretha Franklin, Joan Jett, Belle & Sebastian, and Pearl Jam. One of my favourite bands, Arrested Development, used it as the central riff of their song "People Everyday". Here's Sly and the Family Stone performing the song.
It is not about buying candy.











61 comments:
Great post, Laura. Something to point people to when they say "it's always been this way." I rarely watch TV and consequently don't see/hear much advertising, so I was surprised to find out that the reason I've heard children singing 30-to-40-year-old songs is not because their parents were playing them, but because they'd heard them in commercials and associated the songs only with the products being hawked, having no idea of the artists or the era the songs were from. Another consequence of this is that people lose the ability to associate musical styles with their proper historical eras.
Microsoft's use of Start Me Up prompted much hilarity among techie types when the ads came out, since one prominent line in the song (not used in the ad) is, "You make a grown man cry"... Perfect for Windows.
Speaking of music, apparently a recent episode of American Idol had someone singing Imagine -- but he left out the verse with the line "Imagine no religion" for some reason.
I remember the whole Start Me Up thing being a pretty big deal at the time, though I wasn't as clued in then to news and such as I am now. I do remember Revolution being a big thing too but I would have been in my mid-teens at the time so it made little impression (I probably only knew about it because I was a huge Beatles fan).
But I think the Lust for Life thing is the funniest thing ever. It's just so insanely incongruous to see little kids running around a cruise ship and Iggy yelling away in the background. It may be a sell-out, but as a sell-out it's a work of art in itself.
SuMei has pointed out to me that some John Mellencamp song used to sell pickup trucks also completely misses the point of the song. Though the targets of the ad -- people whose nationalism extends to pickup trucks -- are, I suspect, mostly immune to irony.
She left out the verse with the line "Imagine no religion" for some reason.
WKRP in Cincinnatti proves prophetic once again!
By the way, L, you've had some excellent essays in your recent posts. I haven't been able to comment often these days but you've really been on a roll. Keep it up!
SuMei has pointed out to me that some John Mellencamp song used to sell pickup trucks also completely misses the point of the song.
I went crazy over this ad (assuming we're thinking of the same one). I actually omitted it from this post because my thoughts were too complicated and rambling.
That Mellencamp/Chevy ad was more than a song being used in an ad - it was an entire music video doubling as a Chevy commercial. The way music videos are made for movies or TV shows, but this was for a friggin pickup truck.
They used images from the Depression, Vietnam, the civil rights movement - from 9/11! Just a bunch of American images, of course, no context, no meaning. Here's your history, here's your heritage, buy a truck.
I can't even articulate it. It just drives me crazy.
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Dean, M@, thank you for the encouragement.
I remember the whole Start Me Up thing being a pretty big deal at the time
I'm glad of that. I remember it being big business news, that the Stones would partner with Microsoft - two giants - and also because it was the Stones' first commercial. (There have been many since.) But I don't remember specific criticism that a rock song shouldn't be used this way. I hope there was some.
Microsoft's use of Start Me Up prompted much hilarity among techie types when the ads came out, since one prominent line in the song (not used in the ad) is, "You make a grown man cry"... Perfect for Windows.
Right, I remember hearing about that. Funny how they didn't use "you make a dead man come" either.
Speaking of music, apparently a recent episode of American Idol had someone singing Imagine -- but he left out the verse with the line "Imagine no religion" for some reason.
Geez.
It's hard to pick out just one thing that sucks about advertising. It ruins everything it touches. But I'm not exactly sure who you're pointing the finger at, here. Chocolate companies? Old rock and rollers? VivendiWorldSonyCom? People who like Smarties more than M&Ms?
Sometimes while watching a movie I'll hear a song I know very well, and if I'm lucky I'll be struck by how in a different context the song seems to take on different meaning and evokes ideas that it never had for me before. This is an important part of culture. We take familiar old things and we re-contextualize them into new things with new things to say. The old things become a vocabulary for saying new things. The cliché is that rock and roll will never die, but if you apply your complaints to everything instead of just advertising, you're advocating it's death. It would be as dead as latin if we all just sat around thinking about our first kisses while listening to dusty Led Zep LPs and stuffy old songs about the buttocks.
so I was surprised to find out that the reason I've heard children singing 30-to-40-year-old songs is not because their parents were playing them, but because they'd heard them in commercials and associated the songs only with the products being hawked, having no idea of the artists or the era the songs were from.
Yes! This figures into my memories of the same era.
In the mid and late 80s, I earned my living a nanny. My boy's mom loves music, so there was always music in his house. He and I would blast tunes, dance around, sing into fake microphones and such. We spent a lot of time in the car together, and we would always have music on.
This is right at the time the Dancing Raisins and this whole phenonmenon was around. The boy's mom and I both hated that he knew all these songs from ads, and we would try to always play the real thing, and break the connections between them.
I don't know if you could fight that battle these days.
It's hard to pick out just one thing that sucks about advertising. It ruins everything it touches.
I so agree.
But I'm not exactly sure who you're pointing the finger at, here.
Must I point a finger at one exact thing? I'm describing some thoughts about something that bothers me. I think the post is pretty self-explanatory. Your mileage may vary.
if you apply your complaints to everything instead of just advertising, you're advocating it's death.
But I did not do that.
I'm writing specifically about music being used to sell products.
Readers who don't know Sly and the Family Stone, these two videos are more typical of what they did.
Higher
Stand
I skipped a few steps. Basically I don't see the difference between movies doing it and spot advertisements doing it. Both share a profit motive, both are exploiting our associations, etc.
"Stand... you've been sitting much too long - there's a permanent crease in your right-and-wrong..."
Stand with an extended jam
The Stones also let "Satisfaction" be used for Snickers.
If I am not mistaken, I think every single song on Moby's "Play" album was used in a commercial.
Recently, Bob Mould (a hugely influential rock songwriter-guitarist who began with Husker Du in the 1980s) let one of his songs be used an ad for TIAA-CREF, a financial services company. He wrote about it on his blog (his archive link doesn't work so I can't find the post), saying he researched the company and what it does (I guess they contacted him first) and decided he really liked them. At the time, he posted a video link to the commercial -- I think there was a long and short version -- and asked people for their opinions.
While I'm sure he liked the extra dough, I don't think he "needed" it. He has been working outside the mainstream when it comes to promoting and selling his music for quite awhile. I don't see it corrupting him in the slightest.
Looking around the web, I also saw that one of his songs was used for a Fox TV promo. Mould also wrote "Dog on Fire" -- the original version of The Daily Show theme (which I believe was written specifically for the show).
Here are two amusing choices from a list of some songs used in ads:
The Scorpions' "Rock You Like A Hurricane" for TGIFridays
James Brown's "Hot Pants" for Planters (a subliminal hint at nuts??)
This is an important part of culture. We take familiar old things and we re-contextualize them into new things with new things to say.
Yeah, like: "Go buy some binder clips at Staples".
This ain't art we're talking about.
Basically I don't see the difference between movies doing it and spot advertisements doing it.
Presumably a movie has a function other than selling a product. Film is a artistic medium.
Some movies are only commercial products, tied in to fast-food and crappy toys and other products. In that context, a soundtrack can be another commercial spinoff opportunity.
Personally I think the best movie soundtracks are original scores, or music without words, like what Woody Allen usually does.
But that's just my personal opinion about movies and music, irrelevant to this post.
This post is about music being used to induce us to buy a product. Art in the service of commercial culture. The constant and ever-increasing co-opting of all parts of our culture into one giant ball of consumerism.
If that doesn't bother you, then you have one less thing to bother you in the world. Me, it bothers. A lot.
The Stones also let "Satisfaction" be used for Snickers.
Brown Sugar has been used for two different products, I believe - but possibly not in North America.
Bob Mould is a tough call. I was very surprised he did that, but I was also very glad he had researched the company and made a conscious decision. I would expect no less of him. It's surely not John Mellencamp, but it still rankles me.
The Pogues ad used to drive me NUTS. Unless Shane MacGowan used the money to fix his teeth, then it's ok.
I do like it that bands now write theme songs to TV shows. That's a fairly recent phenomenon.
They Might Be Giants did Malcolm In The Middle (a *great* pre-teen show), and there are the cool themes from Kids In The Hall, King of the Hill, many others. I see that more like a movie soundtrack.
So much going on here. First of all, I live in North America, and I know I've heard Brown Sugar on my TV a lot. So whatever that product is, it's on in the northeastern US at least.
Mellencamp did say about that song that he threw the line about the "Dixie Highway" as a shot at Bush via what was probably referred to as Dixie Chicks-gate, if you remember that. Still--terrible song by him and at some point you just have to say, "I'm rich enough, one shot at Bush that will be completely missed by everyone just isn't worth it."
I still can't believe that "rally around the flag" jeans ad used Fortunate Son. Why do these great artists allow this stuff?
And voiceovers, oh my lord. Every ad is voiced by some really rich actor. Just heard a new one today. Martin Mull for...who knows.
It is good when you at least research the product, or if it's an ad for some product you believe in. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised to hear Papelbon the other day say on the radio that the ads he does are for either local companies or ones that "help the kids." Just the fact that he even thought of that was cool. Eh, somebody probably told him to say it. Besides, why not just give the money to whoever needs it? You have millions of dollars.
I've also noticed a lot of bands from "my" generation in ads now, which is weird. Faith No More, anything Perry Farrell-related, and a lot of punk stuff. It's funny, you can tell when people hit that age where they become ad-people and they bring in songs YOU knew from your past. Like, Oh, I see my fellow Faith No More circa '92 listeners are now working as ad execs or whatever....and then you think, wait, these bands were all wild and weird, yet both they and my fellow fans of them are involved in corporate crap. Disappointing. A lot of the songs in ads now are by shitty, melancholy, "we just moved to Brooklyn, and look at our hair, please sign us" acts, though. The commercials can have that shit.
And one last thing relating to commercial and movie music. Mark Mothersbaugh must be a zillionaire. He's the dude from Devo as you may know. He eventually started doing a lot of music for kids' shows. Then he became Wes Anderson's personal movie-scorer. And if you know the music he made for those movies, you're recognizing it now in tons of commercials. (as well as Wes directing plenty of ads--also easily recognizable). And on top of that, fucking Devo songs are starting to pop up in ads. I swear, every fifth ad is Mothersbaugh-related. The thing is, though, he doesn't simply allow the original tune to be used--if someone wants a Devo song, he says Yes, but he re-records it first! So that's his excuse, I guess. Still, why is it okay with him that his music is in Budweiser ads? What was the point of Devo? That eventually we all become what we hate anyway? Was he just lying to us all along or is money just too powerful for even the artiest of artists?
Jere, lots of interesting stuff from you too! Let's see...
First of all, I live in North America, and I know I've heard Brown Sugar on my TV a lot. So whatever that product is, it's on in the northeastern US at least.
Makes sense. Like I said, I have the TV on mute during most ads, so it's prob'ly on when I'm not listening. I know there are Brit products its used for.
Mellencamp did say about that song that he threw the line about the "Dixie Highway" as a shot at Bush via what was probably referred to as Dixie Chicks-gate, if you remember that.
What song, what line?
I'm thinking of the "This Is Our Country" truck ad.
We saw that movie about the Dixie Chicks thing that was supposed to be so good, everyone told me to see it... I thought it was pretty bad. I was very surprised that Barbara Koppell made something that poor.
I still can't believe that "rally around the flag" jeans ad used Fortunate Son.
That's a wild one. He does have a huge financial excuse, though. You know he was wiped out by a terrible record company deal? He doesn't get one penny from any CCR song, ever. But it was awful, I know.
Tell me why voice overs bother you. That I don't see.
I've also noticed a lot of bands from "my" generation in ads now, which is weird.
Tons. That's partly what I meant here - that's it's not considered controversial anymore. It's just "what you do".
A DU discussion about the Mellencamp/Chevy ad. I forgot it uses images from Katrina.
"What song, what line? I'm thinking of the "This Is Our Country" truck ad."
That song. "Down the Dixie highwwway, back ho-o-ome..." Like most Americans, I only know these lyrics from having watched this past season's baseball playoffs.
Voiceovers--I guess it's just the same as any actor doing a commercial for money they don't need. Only with voiceovers, they're "hiding," so it's even worse. It's like when they do an ad in Japan--go there for a day, make an extra couple million, retain image of "integrity" over here.
I remember when Led Zep was finally used in an ad. Fairly recently. It was "Rock n Roll." And shortly after the Ramones started dying, their tunes went right into corporate America.
I was also looking into the Tom Waits thing, how he did one ad, a voiceover for a dog food, which I think won awards and stuff, and then he said he'd never do one again, and hasn't. And while I was looking into that, I came across those Lou Reed ads he did for the Honda Scooter featuring Wild Side. I'd forgotten all about those. Probably because I was like 13 and had no idea who he was at the time.
I'd forgotten about the CCR thing, too. Good call.
I don't mind because I'd rather hear real music than jingles. Wouldn't you rather have Everyday People stuck in your head instead of this?
Ah, you had me until you started pickin' on the Smarties... ;)
That song. "Down the Dixie highwwway, back ho-o-ome..." Like most Americans, I only know these lyrics from having watched this past season's baseball playoffs.
Hmm. I only know the chorus. The rest of the time, I was just agog at the images being used to sell a friggin truck.
Voiceovers--I guess it's just the same as any actor doing a commercial for money they don't need. Only with voiceovers, they're "hiding," so it's even worse.
To me it's just acting. My friends who are actors all like doing commercials and voiceovers, because it's work. So why not work?
Hiding seems like a funny way to think of it. They're using one of their tools - their voices.
I remember when Led Zep was finally used in an ad. Fairly recently. It was "Rock n Roll."
Yup, also a car. Tons of great songs in car ads.
I was also looking into the Tom Waits thing, how he did one ad, a voiceover for a dog food, which I think won awards and stuff, and then he said he'd never do one again, and hasn't.
But when he refused to do any others, companies hired Tom Waits soundalikes - and he sued - and he won.
those Lou Reed ads he did for the Honda Scooter featuring Wild Side
Hugely famous at the time. I wanted a scooter every day because of those ads.
I mean that.
Wouldn't you rather have Everyday People stuck in your head instead of this?
Nope. I only want Everyday People in my head if it's from a song, performed by a band or a singer. Not associated with a product.
Ah, you had me until you started pickin' on the Smarties... ;)
Like I said, a deep sentimental attachment. :)
But you gotta know they suck, right? Most Canadians will admit that.
Though jingles can be awful too. They do get stuck in my head. Terrible.
Smarties are better than M&Ms.
Do you eat the red ones last?
See, whereas I've never known ads to be any other way (and what are these "inches" of which you speak). Those jingle ads seem quaint and antiquated--only to be used in a satirical manner. I fully expect artists to sell their music for advertisements. Just like I fully expect actors to try to get me to buy stupid things. I would go so far to say that this expectation is so far ingrained that I actually think its part of their job to do so.
What bugs me about ads with music is actually that they don't give credit the musician. I would like a little note in the corner that tells me the singer and the title of the song at the beginning of the ad so I could purchase it on iTunes or whatnot if I was so inclined. I miss those. (There are seriously days where it would be worth 99 cents to get more than the refrain)
Sorry to join this all so late (life has been crazy this last week---good crazy but crazy nonetheless) because this stuff fascinates me. Though I am not too focused on commercials, I hate when rock songs become TV theme songs. Every time I hear a song after that, I can only think of the TV show and forget what the song once had meant to me, what other associations it had.
Also, no one has mentioned how politicians have used rock songs, sometimes without even listening to the lyrics carefully. Didn't Bush use Born in the USA as a campaign song, or was that someone else?
Unfortunately my memory for specific songs and performers is so bad that I can't think of examples, but I am sure others can.
Didn't Bush use Born in the USA as a campaign song, or was that someone else?
Reagan used it back in 1984. (Time flies!!!)
Wiki:
Nevertheless, on September 19, 1984, at a campaign stop in Hammonton, New Jersey, Reagan added the following to his usual stump speech:
"America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside your hearts; it rests in the message of hope in songs so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen. And helping you make those dreams come true is what this job of mine is all about."
The campaign press immediately expressed skepticism that Reagan knew anything about Springsteen, and asked what his favorite Springsteen song was; "Born to Run" was the tardy response from staffers. Johnny Carson then joked on The Tonight Show, "If you believe that, I've got a couple of tickets to the Mondale-Ferraro inaugural ball I'd like to sell you."
During a September 22 concert in Pittsburgh, Springsteen responded negatively by introducing his song "Johnny 99", a song about an unemployed auto worker who turns to murder, "The President was mentioning my name the other day, and I kinda got to wondering what his favorite album musta been. I don't think it was the Nebraska album. I don't think he's been listening to this one."
A few days after that, presidential challenger Walter Mondale said, "Bruce Springsteen may have been born to run but he wasn't born yesterday," and then claimed to have been endorsed by Springsteen. Springsteen manager Jon Landau denied any such endorsement, and the Mondale campaign issued a correction.
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It's hard to pick out just one thing that sucks about advertising. It ruins everything it touches.
Not necessarily; it is possible to make smart, informative, helpful advertising. However, it's also more difficult and less likely to make people buy stuff they don't need.
Here's the ad that won at the Cannes advertising festival last year. It's brilliant.
I hate when rock songs become TV theme songs.
Even Suicide is Painless?
Here is an article about other rock songs used by candidates. Also there was Clinton's use of Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow.
Suicide is Painless was written for the movie MASH (the lyrics in fact were written by the director Robert Altman's son). I am not disturbed by original songs written for TV shows, but rather when they use older songs as their theme song. Two examples I can think of are the use of the Beatles song Ob La Di Ob La Da on "Life Goes On" and the use of "Reflections" on "China Beach." It bugs me that when I hear those songs now I think of the TV shows, not my original associations with the songs.
Like I said, a deep sentimental attachment. :)
Nah, it's not sentimentality, it's a taste for better chocolate. When I ain't gettin' enough carnauba wax in my diet, I break out the stuff from Hershey, PA. But otherwise, sorry... Yankee chocolate isn't anything like the equal of Limey chocolate.
Re Smarties v M&M thing, that's a big "whatever". Neither of them are really delicious in the sense of rich, high-quality chocolate. I just don't like the way Smarties taste.
See, whereas I've never known ads to be any other way (and what are these "inches" of which you speak). Those jingle ads seem quaint and antiquated--only to be used in a satirical manner. I fully expect artists to sell their music for advertisements. Just like I fully expect actors to try to get me to buy stupid things. I would go so far to say that this expectation is so far ingrained that I actually think its part of their job to do so.
Thanks, MJ. That's exactly what I mean. The bar has been lowered so much, that these are all part of your expectations - shaped by living in a world where everything is commodified and used in the interests of marketing.
Suicide is Painless was written for the movie MASH (the lyrics in fact were written by the director Robert Altman's son).
This is a good distinction, I think. They Might Be Giants wrote the theme for Malcolm in the Middle for the show. To my mind, that's like scoring a soundtrack.
The soundtrack for the movie Magnolia was all Amiee Mann's music - some from previous albums, others she wrote for the movie, but the movie was constructed around her music, and she worked with the director. I think that's a wonderful joining of two artistic endeavors, and it enhances them both.
But if Aimee Mann's music started appearing in ads for instant coffee, telling me it was a great way to start the day, I'd be very disappointed in her.
It's hard to pick out just one thing that sucks about advertising. It ruins everything it touches.
Not necessarily; it is possible to make smart, informative, helpful advertising. However, it's also more difficult and less likely to make people buy stuff they don't need.
I definitely acknowledge that advertising can be creative and intelligent. It's not really advertising per se that drives me nuts. In the omnipresence of it in our culture right now that depresses me.
the bar has been lowered so much, that these are all part of your expectations
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the bar is lowered right from the top. I expect that the music labels consider commercial sales part of the income that a band will get, and adjust their contracts accordingly. If a band doesn't allow their music to be sold out, it's a big hit they'll take financially. Pearl Jam can afford that; many bands can't.
I was thinking, I like what Zellers does. They use only music from Canadian bands who are successful but not well-known in the mainstream (the Joel Plaskett Emergency and Be Good Tanyas being the ones that come immediately to mind). If you have to use music in advertising, I think this is the attitude to take.
Not that this makes the omnipotence of advertising any easier to bear. But at least it avoids the rather cliche use of well-known rock songs.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the bar is lowered right from the top. I expect that the music labels consider commercial sales part of the income that a band will get, and adjust their contracts accordingly.
I would bet on it.
If a band doesn't allow their music to be sold out, it's a big hit they'll take financially. Pearl Jam can afford that; many bands can't.
Pearl Jam made those decisions when they couldn't afford it, too. They've taken massive financial hits from their anti-commercial position. They're lucky it worked out for them, but it appears that they would have made the same decisions anyway.
Re Zellers, that to me is just pandering. Only using Canadian bands, buy our stuff because we're so Canadian. I hate that shite. No better than Chevy telling us how American they are.
Plus it's probably cheaper for them to license lesser-known work than the more famous material.
Pearl Jam made those decisions when they couldn't afford it, too.
Yeah, maybe Pearl Jam was a bad example. Good examples are pretty rare though. If a band doesn't play the industry's game, we probably will never hear of them.
Re Zellers, that to me is just pandering. Only using Canadian bands, buy our stuff because we're so Canadian. I hate that shite. No better than Chevy telling us how American they are.
I dunno about that -- it's not like they're parading the bands as Canadian bands. I knew one of the bands and looked the other one up using the lyrics in the commercial. And it may be just a matter of degree, but the Chevy stuff is way off the charts for how explicitly it links the product with nationalism.
But yeah, I have to concede the point that corporate bullshit is corporate bullshit. Better or worse is pretty much irrelevant.
(Note: The Goalies never sold anything to anyone! We stayed true to the music, man! :) )
Good examples are pretty rare though. If a band doesn't play the industry's game, we probably will never hear of them.
I think that used to be true, but these days it's so much easier for an artist to bring their music directly to listeners. Aimee Mann, Ani DiFranco are two good examples. I'm not saying it's easy, and most bands probably don't even care about making those choices (since most people don't), but there are ways, if a person cares about these issues.
And it may be just a matter of degree, but the Chevy stuff is way off the charts for how explicitly it links the product with nationalism.
You're right, there is a big difference, esp if Zellers isn't making a big deal that they're Cdn bands.
But yeah, I have to concede the point that corporate bullshit is corporate bullshit. Better or worse is pretty much irrelevant.
I think so. :)
Remember, Zeller is part of HBC, which is not Canadian any more.
(Note: The Goalies never sold anything to anyone! We stayed true to the music, man! :) )
It must have been so difficult to resist all those corporate offers! To think you could have been a millionaire, but you stayed so humble and pure. Wow.
It must have been so difficult to resist all those corporate offers! To think you could have been a millionaire, but you stayed so humble and pure. Wow.
I don't remember calling myself "humble".
But, yeah, the offers. We felt that for $25.50, it wouldn't be worth tainting our image, potentially alienating the majority of our fans. The third one probably wouldn't have cared, but hey, we were artists.
You may not be humble, but you're certainly brave. Think of what that $25.50 could have bought you at Zellers!
Certainly a lot of smarties.
"My friends who are actors all like doing commercials and voiceovers, because it's work. So why not work?"
That's what I'm saying. Your friends should be getting these jobs, not George Clooney. When actors "act" in commercials, is that really acting? Did Doritos really think Jay Leno would be really believable when he reached into the bag, or are they just using his face to sell more chips? So with voiceovers, these people are taking a job basically anyone could do when they don't need the money.
"(Note: The Goalies never sold anything to anyone! We stayed true to the music, man! :) )"
The Pac-Men also accepted exactly 0 (of the 0 total) ads we were asked to do! I sometimes think about a local show where kids are having the time of their lives and the band is just doing it because that's what they like to do and handing out free cds, and then think of big record labels deciding what songs will sell cars in advance of recording some album, and how shitty that is that both of those things fall under the same category "music."
Note: The Goalies never sold anything to anyone!
Not even CDs. ... (rimshot)
Did Doritos really think Jay Leno would be really believable when he reached into the bag, or are they just using his face to sell more chips?
Clearly using his face to sell more chips. That's a personality endorsement, not acting, I agree.
So with voiceovers, these people are taking a job basically anyone could do when they don't need the money.
People who do voiceovers would disagree that it's a job anyone could do.
I understand what you mean, but I think actors recognize that their shelf life is short, and they have to get the work while they're in demand.
Ah well, I guess this is one thing that bothers you that doesn't bother me. It's a rarity for me, so I won't over-think it. :)
Hey Jere, I asked you a question in the "why do I want a new cell phone" thread, in case you want to check in.
Answered. One thing I forgot--Everyday People was also in some car commercial a while back. I remember it was on all the time.
Have we talked about songs that are altered for ads yet? Like "I can drive for miles and miles" or "I'm gonna wash that gray right outta my hair" or the modern classic "you're crumble-ievable" (which was actually recorded by the original band). There's also a really crappy country version of Life is a Highway on some ad now.
And then you've got ads that are changed for different countries. Texaco had "star of the American road" back in the 80s, but my friend went to Montreal and said they changed it up there to "star of the Canadian road."
I just saw a commercial for Kelsey's with the Cheers theme song in the background. THAT confuses me! because it's already commercial music, so why are they using it for something else?
Yeah, that Kelsey's thing is weird. And gross. Like we're gonna think your generic chain restaurant is what Cheers was based on.
Of course some people will.
Have we talked about songs that are altered for ads yet? Like "I can drive for miles and miles" or "I'm gonna wash that gray right outta my hair" or the modern classic "you're crumble-ievable" (which was actually recorded by the original band).
Ah, the joys of mute. I don't know any of these.
I have happy childhood memories of "I'm Gonna Wash That Man...". My mother loved to butcher Rodgers & Hammerstein on the piano, and we would sing together. Her R&H songbook had a photo (I guess from the movie) of a woman shampooing her hair outdoors. This cracked me up and we loved to sing it together.
My happy childhood memories aren't so plentiful so I'm damn glad I haven't seen that ad!! :)
My earliest recollection of this is actually Canadian: it must've been 1983-84ish and an eight year old me was confused when my soon-to-be brother-in-law complained about a Coffee Crisp commercial ruining a great song.
Picture it: calm lake near sunset, lone rower whose blades are moving to the beat of "Another one bites the dust, and another one gone and another one gone..." Then the nice light snack stuff.
My friends and I had been singing that for a few years already in the playground because, well, it was a cool song.
My earliest recollection of this is actually Canadian: it must've been 1983-84ish and an eight year old me was confused when my soon-to-be brother-in-law complained about a Coffee Crisp commercial ruining a great song.
Picture it: calm lake near sunset, lone rower whose blades are moving to the beat of "Another one bites the dust, and another one gone and another one gone..." Then the nice light snack stuff.
What a way to ruin a pretty picture!
Interesting that it's the same time period that I'm remembering.
"I have happy childhood memories of "I'm Gonna Wash That Man...". My mother loved to butcher Rodgers & Hammerstein on the piano, and we would sing together. Her R&H songbook had a photo (I guess from the movie) of a woman shampooing her hair outdoors. This cracked me up and we loved to sing it together.
My happy childhood memories aren't so plentiful so I'm damn glad I haven't seen that ad!! :)"
It's so funny you should mention that. When I was little, there were so many songs in ads where I'd know it only from the ad. But my mom would try to tell me it was really one of "her" songs. We even have a name for it, that we use to this day. "ruining her dreams." (She probably said "ruining her memories," and I turned it into dreams for some reason.)
I found "wash that gray" on YouTube. It was from the early 80s.
Here it is, if you dare to ruin your own dreams....
Oh god no. I'm not going to intentionally watch a commercial!
But it's interesting your mom was feeling that when you were a kid, that music memories were being stolen from her by advertising.
Thanks for this post. You are so right - "Everyday People" is not about candy. It is so much more important than that. I write about how Sly's music has been exploited in movies and advertising and who benefits from this in my book about Sly.
http://www.lulu.com/content/1412956
http://slystonebio.blogspot.com
Well now I know I'm at home.
Sly and the Family Stone are my favourite American band and one of the reasons that the only music that excites me these days is black American 'r and b' is because I can hear them in it (and Prince, and James Brown, and so on...).
The use of great life-affirming music to sell mediocrity is horrible. There are worse things, but it still sucks.
It may be a consequence of the inverted value system: for example I'm still dreading 'Teen Spirit' actually being used to sell deodorant because some marketing wag with no memory or respect reads about the song's origins in a book.
Maybe it's happened already, but don't tell me if it has.
Actually the Pixies 'Tame' was used to sell vodka over here, but no-one had a clue what the song was, so it was like being in on a private joke.
Which reminds me: 'Monkey Gone To Heaven' is nearly 20 years old. Someone send W a copy of 'Doolittle'. Titles of tracks number 1, 3, 4 and 6 might interest him as well.
Since I'm not the only one digging up old threads...
This is a great thread. It's given me a lot to think about. On principle, I dislike using music to sell things, but I must admit, I do like the odd commercial, and when I do, it's often because of the music.
I do remember feeling utter dismay when I first heard the Parachute Club's "Rise Up" in a commercial. I think it was the first time I'd felt someone "sold out". I was relieved to find later that the Parachute Club (perhaps my all-time favourite band) had not given permission for their song to be used.
I also must point out that I don't believe music has ever influenced me to buy something. Maybe that's partly why it doesn't bother me as much.
Also:
I've never met any Canadians who like M&M's more than Smarties. I've introduced Smarties to some of my American friends, who thought they were far superior. I cannot eat plain M&Ms; I find the chocolate to be inedible.
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