"where's your platform? under the sweater?"
I'll blog about the debate tomorrow, but I just had to post this lovely quip from Jack Layton tonight.
This just in: Elizabeth May rocks. She added so much to the debate. We are all richer for her presence at the table.
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Since people have already started to comment on this thread, I'll continue here.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching all four opposition leaders piling on Harper. Harper comes off as composed, measured, in control - and cold, robotic and bereft of ideas. The most important words to come out of Harper's mouth last night: he admitted invading Iraq was a mistake. That's a mistake Canada would have made, had Harper been Prime Minister.
I loved how all four opposition leaders correctly accused Harper of importing his ideas and policies from Bush's US. And I loved all the mentions of Australia. While this is obviously a political tactic, it's also the truth. We fell out over Dion saying, "...as he expressed with the words of the Australian Prime Minister...".
It was sad to see that Stéphane Dion was the worst debater at the table. I'm sure for many people he confirmed our impressions of him as a smart man and a poor leader. Duceppe, Layton and May were way ahead of him on all counts.
I really like Jack Layton, which is not to say I agree with every single thing he has done, but I think he's an excellent leader and he consistently speaks to my values and point of view. In addition to the title of this post - hands down the best rejoinder of the night - Layton also got in the second best shot of the night. "You're either incompetent or you don't care."
Last night, in the debate on the arts and culture cuts, I loved Layton's recognition that artists are workers. From a handful of commercially successful writers and filmmakers, the public has a mistaken impression of who makes art. Most writers, musicians, actors, filmmakers and visual artists are poorly paid, often taken advantage of, and mostly supporting ourselves through other means, unable to earn a living from our respective crafts.
On the other hand, Harper's attempts to list his connection to the arts - "I play some piano...my wife's family is talented" - was beyond lame. He would have been better off saying, "I don't care about the arts, good night."
Elizabeth May was amazing. She is fearless, articulate, composed and relentless. She knows her facts inside-out and backwards, and she isn't listening to the bullshit. For much of last night's debate, she functioned as the truth-teller at the table. As Harper spouted lies, she could be heard off-camera, saying, "He wasn't accused of taxing income trusts - he did it". When Harper said, "Take a look at our platform," you could hear her saying, "Where is it?", and on in that manner all night.
And in response to the "first thing you'd do as Prime Minister" question, she made a pitch for proportional representation! Wow!
One thing I hate - drives me around the bend - came after the debate, on CBC. They run their segment called "Reality Check", where they supposedly fact-check a politician's statements. But who's reality checking the reality check? While they picked apart the numbers of jobs lost and jobs gained, there was no mention of the quality of those jobs. If 500 union manufacturing jobs are lost and 500 jobs serving coffee at Tim Hortons are gained, the net result is not zero. Similarly, saying Denmark's strong environmental policies "didn't raise taxes, but didn't end global warming, either," is so reductionist as to be just plain stupid. Time to turn off the TV.
One last point of what I never want to forget about the Liberals: I loved Layton reminding us that the Liberals allowed Harper to stay in power for so long. Tell it, Jack.











19 comments:
Lizzie gave great jabs, for sure, and did so w/o interrupting but the very best by a long shot was indeed Layton's, "where's your platform? under the sweater?"
I think Dion got the best quip of the night unfortunately, Jack was in full bluster so it was directed at him... to quote with Jack talking all the while....
On the matter of trusting politicians:
"Please let me finish talking, I did not interrupt you, and that's a matter of trust too." Dion. I hope more people caught that. It is a fair assessment that trust has to go both way and that a politician must be able to let someone else have their say.
As for May, I think she is the big winner,with Giles a surprising second. She added much to the debate and really was the only one to talk not only about policy but why her policy might be a good idea.
We need a debate every week of the election to discuss just that, the whys of things.
That was a great line! I thought that May did a fantastic job too.
On the matter of trusting politicians:
"Please let me finish talking, I did not interrupt you, and that's a matter of trust too." Dion.
I caught it, but I'm afraid I thought it was nothing.
We need a debate every week of the election
That would be a huge improvement. These real, substantial debates are such an improvement over the US-style pre-packaged debates. But more would be that much better.
Beware rose colourered glasses. Layton has done his fair share of teaming up with the Conservatives, when it suits his interests.
The Liberals had a great plan for national child care - which Layton claims he wants - and it was killed when Layton teamed up with Harper to defeat the Paul Martin Liberal minority government. So everyone who correctly believes that $100 a month for child care is painfully inadequate can thank Jack Layton for their crappy $1200 TAXABLE child care tax credit. Naturally working families are most affected. But wait, isn't Jack Layton a friend of the working man? Apparently not when he senses he may be able to win seats away from the Liberals, because he chose to team up with Harper and force an election rather than help pass the bill for national child care. Layton is no less opportunistic or hypocritical than the rest of them.
Beware rose colourered glasses. Layton has done his fair share of teaming up with the Conservatives, when it suits his interests.
As I said in this post, I don't necessarily approve of everything Layton and the NDP has done. One of the most troubling features of Canadian politics is surely the entrenched partisanship that prevents coalition-building, and prevents many good programs from gaining widespread support.
However, of the choices, Layton would be my choice for Prime Minister and the NDP my choice for the Government.
But I'm not big on rose-coloured glasses.
Layton is no less opportunistic or hypocritical than the rest of them.
But I do NOT agree with this. The NDP is not even in the same room as the Tories when it comes to hypocrisy. They're not perfect, but they're a far sight better than the Conservatives.
I had never heard Elizabeth May speak until a few weeks ago when she was on CBC Radio's Cross Country Checkup. She is unbelievably articulate and quick on her feet. I was just as impressed with her performance last night.
She added a lot to the debate. They can often degenerate into talking points and partisan silliness, but she really helped keep it real.
She is unbelievably articulate and quick on her feet.
Yes!
She added a lot to the debate. They can often degenerate into talking points and partisan silliness, but she really helped keep it real.
I agree. Real and impressive.
Lisa, I don't know if you saw, but thanks to you we heard Naomi Klein last week. I blogged about her talk.
May's comments sometimes sounded like little speeches -- less conversational than the others. I could see that bothering some people, but she did not do it all the time (usually came in each topic's opening comments).
We also got a kick out of Harper's forced smiles when talking about how he'd help (and has helped) the ordinary Canadian. I'm trying to show I care, he seemed to be thinking, but his smile/smirk showed that deep down, even he didn't believe the BS he was slinging.
So everyone who correctly believes that $100 a month for child care is painfully inadequate can thank Jack Layton for their crappy $1200 TAXABLE child care tax credit. Naturally working families are most affected.
This is partially true (like every other party in our unfortunate system, the NDP sometimes plays opportunistically with the timing of what they support and when) and partially a-historical: we can also blame the lack of real national childcare plan on previous Liberal governments, who repeatedly ran on platforms that included daycare plans and repeatedly failed to deliver one, even when they formed majority governments and could have brought it in without relying on any other party's support. Why would anyone trust the Liberals not to change their priorities yet again?
I tend to agree with L-girl: complaining that "you interrupted me" is not exactly a stunningly original debate rejoinder (especially in a round-table format which lends itself so well to side-talk), even if linked (vaguely) to the notion of "trust".
The strong performance by Gilles Duceppe is no surprise to me, really: not only is he the most experienced debater of the lot, his politics are rooted (among other things) in strong trade-union values, and he leads a party which is at least centre-left. Which reminds me:
Time to turn off the TV.
For me I turn off (lest I begin to start hurling things at it) whenever commentators start on about vote-splitting by four parties "on the left". There are at most 1.5 parties on the left in Canadian federal politics: the NDP and part of the BQ. The Liberals and the Greens are not as viciously far right as the Conservatives, but their policies are, at best, centre-right. Read their platforms (which have the great virtue of not being hidden under sweaters): they are by no stretch of the imagination "left wing". So when commentators talk about the Greens taking up part of the NDP's support (no doubt true in places), let us be clear that we are talking about the (much-disputed) centre, and not the left. The only place there is any real space space for debate on the left in Canadian electoral politics is between the NPD and (some of) the BQ.
Two keys to understanding the above:
1. being pro-environment is not a "left-wing" position (just a sensible one) and it certainly doesn't make the Greens leftists. We need look no farther than Mexico and Germany to see Greens who align themselves with the war-mongering (and corrupt) right.
2. proposing a national daycare plan is not in itself a "left-wing" policy, it is simply civilised. Most western European countries have something along these lines (along with public health-care), broadly supported by both left and (most of the) right in most places.
The fact that we have a far right-wing Conservative party which opposes both serious childcare policies and serious environmental policies does not make everyone who opposes them "left-wing". In an optimistic scenario, they could form fruitful alliances and coalitions with the left, and they each include both (vanishing few, at times) left-wing and right-wing elements but the Greens and the Liberals as parties are not themselves "leftist" parties.
I also hate the "splitting all the votes on the left" blather. Left of Harper, yes. But not "the left".
We've been talking about this in several comment threads. I'm trying to write a post on it, but now it will be just a re-tread of comments! But oh well, still worth posting.
The Green Party can be quite conservative. In many countries they are anti-immigration, because supposedly immigration is bad for the environment. Or does concern for the environment make a nice smokescreen for xenophobia?
We also got a kick out of Harper's forced smiles when talking about how he'd help (and has helped) the ordinary Canadian. I'm trying to show I care, he seemed to be thinking, but his smile/smirk showed that deep down, even he didn't believe the BS he was slinging.
That was one transparent smile! We both cracked up at the same time. Allan said, "I'm not good at reading people's faces, but even I can tell that Harper's having trouble keeping his real feelings hidden."
I admire you guys for being able to watch it. I can never muster up the patience for debates, I always end up throwing stuff at the TV.
But speaking of where's his platform:
Conservative leader Stephen Harper told reporters he would release the party's full platform "probably next Tuesday" the same day he plans to speak to Toronto's economic club.
Tuesday is the 7th. The last day for advance polls is the 6th.
Thanks, Imp Strump. That is maddening. I can't believe he's going to be PM again. Actually, I won't believe it til it happens.
Re job loss / job gain / "reality check":
In an office in a worn suburban strip mall in Oshawa, next to Liquidation World and a giant Dollar Store, middle-aged men and women who made $30 an hour last year are struggling to find jobs that pay $12.
Link.
And the other problem with that is they might not even be able to get those $12/hr jobs because they previously had $30/hr job.
I and many of my friends have had problems with employers refusing to even consider us because they perceived us to be overqualified (even though we didn't think we were). If these $12/hr employers think the same way, they might be unwilling to hire people who did $30/hr skilled work for $12/hr unskilled work.
Wow, good point. If you do get that job, you won't be able to make ends meet, because (a) your mortgage/rent is pegged to a $30/hr job and (b) no one can make ends meet on $12/h4. But I wasn't even considering that you couldn't get one of those jobs.
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